Speaker 1 1:07

Hi, everyone. Vic here from med Hedo snitch. Before we start to show a quick note, doctor said Deon could not join us, live in the studio for the recording. And we had to use zoom for his audio. There were some technical issues in the beginning of the show, which may cause you to hear some clicking noise for about the first three minutes. It does clear up afterwards we will do our best to limit technical issues as we move forward with more episodes. Thanks again for listening, and we hope you enjoy our podcasts .

Speaker 2 2:25

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Speaker 1 2:26

Hi , everyone. Welcome to med Hedo Snyder podcast, where we learn our history together. I'm your host [inaudible] and I'm joined by my other hosts, Mike VoLumen and uh, Dr. Vaughn said town . How are you gentlemen? Pretty good . How about yourselves? Are you doing good? Good, very exciting. Thank you for doing this. Um, obviously this is our first episode, so , uh, we're not, you know, as professionals , so excuse us if there's mistakes, but uh , we're going to try to do our best to make this a great episode , uh , having it be our first , um, one thing I want to talk about is why we are doing this. What was the point of us coming together? I think , uh, for me personally, you guys can try them in was , is because , um, you know, growing up here, coming to this country at a young age , um, everything we hear about our history seems to be, you know, either the genocide or 3 0 1 Ady and , uh, even when you meet, you know , other nationalities and if they know anything about Armenians, it's usually , uh, you know, they say, oh, genocide, like as if it's some kind of a great historical event or something, and it's frustrating. So , um, you know, with the recent war and , uh, Mike and I have been friends for awhile and, you know, the , the piece that he did with the gun, the great sparked this new venture of Meadows Snyder , which was to , uh , and why we did these, these sculptures was to help people, you know, spark a conversation in their homes with family, their kids, and talk about this. Um, and that led to the whole podcast. And we were fortunate enough to , uh , uh, meet Vaughn because I mean, we were talking about this. We , how can we do this for it to be right? We are not historians. We love history, read , we read history, we watch documentaries so forth. Um, but we want someone to teach us. Um, so, you know, we were lucky enough to meet Vahan and he's he's , um , you know, we're so thankful for you doing this by the way, and not just being a guest, being a coach very important. Uh , so tell us a little bit, or the audience about yourself, your , your background, so they can know who you are, right. Thank you. Well, it's ,

Speaker 3 4:53

I'm actually here to share information as , as you would to others. So we're, we're , we're learning from each other. So , um, it's , it's basically a sharing of information platform than anything else, and we want to feel comfortable and we want to allow the audience to feel comfortable that this is just information flowing and , um, you know, we have still much to learn, but at the same time, it's a good idea for us to really this information, especially at an age of technology where , uh, know our voices can be heard across the globe and, and reach places where otherwise it could not be reached through other means, you know , uh , several years ago. But at the same time, you know, the opportunity for me to present , um, does is , is a little bit serendipitous, you know, actually, but as far as with my backgrounds , uh, you know, many people know that I've published several books on ancient history language. Um, I work with , uh, native American governments. I'm a tribal official myself, the first non-native to be one. Um, I do have, you know , sovereign immunity and diplomatic community , both domestically and internationally. It's a huge blessing at the same time. It's a huge burden because, you know, you gotta perform, you have to help many people. And, and that there , there are so many lives at stake and, you know, every second counts, but at the same time , uh, considering Armenians and Armenian history, I think we have the sense of urgency there. You know, we, we are losing our lens. You know, we have been fighting , um, the opposing factions and countries and cultures for thousands upon thousands of years. And , uh , and the thing is where the, the oldest by witnesses to world civilization. So we're kind of see the civilizations come and go. And so through, through odd means we're still alive. We're just like dinosaurs, basically. Um, so as far as, you know, what, what I'm been trying to do is for me to collaborate with , uh, you know, scientists are monologists and geneticists and anthropologists , everybody within the art and self sciences, for me to paint a picture of who we were, what our ancestors have done , uh, you know, how we contributed to world civilizations, how we interacted with other cultures throughout thousands of years. And, and by doing that, you know, we have seen Armenian fingerprints all over the globe and, you know , uh, you know, places that time for God. And , and I guess I thought that , uh, my, my job would be for me to bring all this to the forefront for , uh , for people to understand, not from a boring, let's say historical textbook standpoint, but both visually, you know, conversationally and to paint a more visual picture as you would, let's say with your sculptures. Yeah .

Speaker 4 8:03

Now, now I have a , I have a really quick question to ask Yvonne, what, what, and I was, I was, when I first met you, I was thinking about the same thing. And one I'll ask you now is what inspired you to get into this world and maybe later on also get involved with the native American tribes. Um, is it something that when, when you were younger, you wanted to , um, this is what you wanted to do or did this just something materialize over time as you grow older?

Speaker 3 8:32

Well, I'm glad you asked that question because , um, I was with a large physician group a couple of days ago, and when they read my bio, they told me that, you know, I'm involved in all these different spheres at the same time. Um, the , the thing is that, you know, you have to be involved in all these different spheres for you to make significant change in , in one sitting, you know , you know, w we're finite. So we have only so many years for us to live. And if , if I'm able to make a positive change , uh , I try to be involved as much as possible and serve as an example to the children that, you know, if you're able and capable of making a positive change, you know, you should make that into your life's effort. Um, the way I got into Armenian history is actually through indirect means. Um, I was trying to find whether altruism , um, was a wasn't related to religion, or it was actually innate. And, and I went through back in time, you know, thousands of years. And then every, every attempt I made for me to go further back in time , um, I saw more and more of , of Armenia fingerprints and different civilizations, you know, because there comes to a point where you , you kind of stop at, at Schumer in Mesopotamia, right? Um, that's normally the default , uh , usually they stop at , let's say, you know, Greek civilization and the Roman civilization, but very few really venture into that sphere. So the further I went back, I realized that, well , um, we, we discovered so many great things about the DOD, the Armenians and ancient Armenians that even historical books, the mainstream historical books, and don't even talk about. So for me, was a problem. How can I see these things myself , uh , when I examine them. But when I opened up a book , let's say this available in Barnes and noble, there was nothing about it. So , uh , for me, that was a huge problem. And I realized that it's not really an accident. It's , it's more of this , uh, intentional hiding effort of our , uh, of our history in the world of civilizations. And the more you kind of pick at it, the more you realize that, you know, it is intentional. It is, you know, it has to be done , uh, for , uh , for odd reasons. You know, you have , uh , professors in the United States, especially Armenian professors who are falsifying or rubbing in history for whatever agenda that they have. You know, I've been doing this for many years, so I'll have a lot of videos on this and people know what I'm talking about. Um, but you know, professors will follow a certain curriculum. Uh , they tell them what to and whatnot to say. And so they kind of falsify our history and actually it it's , it's very evident in the UCLA. I mean, there are certain books that were published in UCLA, by Armenian professors that really falsify our history. They claim us to be newcomers to the army in Highlands. You know, we're , our two has nothing to do with us. Um, we intermingled with others , uh, and , uh , none of those , uh , asinine things that, that the student will never know whether he's hearing the truth or not. So if you imagine, let's say you're a student in UCLA. And so you were born in Texas and you have no idea where your ancestors came from, but you just have, and to be in a class of that instructs history or ancient history , uh , how would you know that the professor is lying, right? If , if you have no idea about the , the people that you , in other words, you know, you can go to Wikipedia, it kind of has also false information and you go to another reference, right? So , uh , in other words, they can lie to the students and students will never know that the professor is lying, especially if the professor is highly decorative . Yeah. So , so that's, yeah , where the logical fallacy comes in, you know, the appeal to authority, you know, fallacy. And , and because of that, now the story is armed with misinformation. Now, imagine the other students encounter your claims, which is contrary to what the student heard in the classroom of others, which means there's going to be a clash, because it's going to say, well, if an award winning professor told me this , and you're telling me otherwise, then, you know, prove to me that the professor is lying right now. Now we need to convince the , the , the person and the professor that you guys are all incorrect, and this is the evidence and so forth . So we have a huge, huge problem in academia and mainstream media of us trying to clean up our history.

Speaker 1 13:21

Well , um, uh , I'm glad you mentioned Armenia Highlands, because that is our main topic today for the first episode. I think it's a great topic to start for people who don't generally know what Armenia Highlands is. Um, now one thing about you, if , if people want to learn more about Vaughn said, they can go to Yvonne set you on.com. Uh, his website is up there's videos of his lectures and conversations and just about him. And you can actually contact them if you have any questions , uh, just regarding anything we're talking about, or just specifically , uh, you know, for him , uh, another thing , uh, we want our audience to , uh, to try in , uh, for the next episode when we , um, and we'll be covering , uh, more about Armenian nation kingdoms. Uh, you can send us questions too by email, which is pod pod@medhedosnare.com on Instagram, it's at [inaudible] snitch . We also have a phone number you can text or leave a voicemail, which is , uh , 8 1 8 5 7 9 2 1 1 2 and a we'll go ahead and answer any of your questions. Um , one thing is this, the point of this is to talk about things , um , you know , uh, educate , like I said, you're not here to teach, but in theory, it is teaching. We want this information. We want people to learn or are going to be listening to this podcast. So , um,

Speaker 4 14:47

To add to what you're saying and to touch on what you said , uh, earlier Vaughn is we seem to be going through that, that I don't want to use the word or phrase cover up, but , uh, about the mainstream media narrative, and what's being taught to the newer generation, not only amongst our means, but I mean all across the board, of course, that's not what we're going to get into, but this is definitely a problem that I, myself I'm seeing, because I like to dig for information. And then when you start going backtracking going down those rabbit holes, like you were mentioning earlier, which, which I find beautiful, to be honest with you , um, you start understanding that what you've been taught isn't exactly what actually may have happened, you know?

Speaker 3 15:32

Well, yeah, I mean, that's, those are the , uh, you know, that the inquiries and the urge of an inquiry that you have, or you had that sparks, you know , your interest in getting into these things. Um, well, it was the same for me. And then I think that the more we talk about this, I think we can inspire other youth , um, for them to get in , into their own independent research. Independent research is key. Uh , you have to start with that , um, based on your own efforts and then check it with, let's say the references, right? Because once you start with the references first, and then you, you kind of do your own , uh, it's already biased. You know, you're not giving you a chance to leave the opportunity for you to examine things. And we want this to be in, in Armenian schools themselves. We have, you know, so many in the United States , uh, you know, from elementary, all the way to high school and nothing of this kind of free thoughts in, in , let's say Armenian history, the, the opportunity for them to examine them themselves, it , it never takes any fruit or, or any room for them to really concentrate on this. And I think that once they become old enough for them to go into the, the real world, it's already too late, you know, they're already encumbered with burden with, you know, the job and , and education. So they don't have the time. And I think we need to reach them while they're young for, for us to tell them to kind of use reason and logic and rationality , um, first and foremost, for them to examine not only their own history, but also world history, you know, whether whatever they've been taught actually makes any sense. The biggest thing I think, and I've found that the biggest problem I see in archeological and anthropological research is it's absent of logic. Uh , it has a huge problem with a chronology , uh, you know, the timeline. Um, it, it divides people that were the same using different terminology for those people. Um, they invent people that didn't exist. They invented languages, which should belong to let's say, sub language languages versus a whole different branch. And the thing is because most people don't even care. Um, they just are passive of the , this information, right? Then we have those people who are few there they're spreading misinformation sometimes even while not knowing that they are. So if they publish for 20, 30 years and their references are the references for others to follow them, then basically it's a runaway train. Now we have to go back and clean up all that mess on top of that, you know , uh, prove that the wrong published things, right , uh, going to academia, it's a huge monumental effort that not many of us have the luxury of doing whether it's time, brides , credibility , um,

Speaker 1 18:45

We've even just almost rewriting history. It's, it's, it's, you're doing double the work to be able to prove the falsification of, of historical events. Um, so, well , um , I mean, again, this is, this is the whole point to talk about this stuff and, and , um, and learn together. And like you said, the next generation in schools , um, especially Armenian schools, my own children will , you know, we'll start Armenian school, actually, this , this coming September. And that's one thing I would want for them to learn because, you know , uh, I know there's this saying , I keep saying this , you know, history knowing your own history, or just history in general is the fruit of power because knowing where you come from, where you've been, your people, your ethnicity, everything ties into who you become based on your knowledge. Um, so having said that , uh, I want to start our first topic, which is , um, Armeen Highlands . So , uh, Von , why don't you give us , uh, our audience , uh, uh , kind of , uh , if you can describe for them to visualize what the army and Highlands are.

Speaker 3 19:57

Okay, well , uh, the term army in the Highlands is very important for us to continuously use and disregard, you know, caucus this disregard and Natalia and all that nonsense. And , and the thing is the mainstream media uses , you know , uh , Caucasian or in Anatolia, stuff like that, that completely misses the entire army and highlights when it comes to the army and Highlands was, was very large. You know, it covered half of Georgia, half of Turkey, current modern day Turkey, all the way down to, you know , uh, Syria, Israel, all the way down to FL Iran , you know, as their budget and all that, right. It was, it was huge. It was bigger than , uh , the, the CTC legend and also history of tinker on the grid . Right? We have this, we have seen all that map of Tigre and degrades , you know, big empire , uh , Armenian Highlands was much bigger than that. And when I say much bigger, you know, you have to take into consideration how old and how far , uh , your people go back in time. Right? So even the recent findings at, at Puerto sash and, you know, they use the word globally tip and Turkish or for the region, but that actually fell within our borders. So we already can see, you know, our , our ancients work at , in porta search and on all the cave, carvings and petroglyphs and Hiro glyphs at Octa soda and Germans or mountains. You know, we find these things, the oldest shoe, you know, the oldest winery, the oldest skirt, and on and on, you know, the oldest metallurgy and the oldest metal smelting and all these old ancient things are ironically found in the same geographical area. You know, the first animal domestication, the first, you know, agriculture , um, that the , the first time the human beings actually put together the estro astrological signs in one area, all can be found in Armenian Highlands . And the thing is, if you look at our culture today, you can still see the echo of that memory inside our alphabets, the way we speak, you know, the way, the way we pronounce things. And so our culture reflects that. That's what I'm saying. It's amazing. Not only that we have survived this long, but we still carry this echo of information within our genes within the way we speak and the way we do things through the way we create. Um, so as the army in Highlands is actually the bedrock of what we do today and all the way to, let's say the alphabet that we use today , um, you know, the, the words that we use about autism in a horse , out of, in all those things, that it means something, right. So we have to pay attention. We really have to pay attention on, on the things that we have on paper and on walls today, even the Hutch Carson and the crosses , you know, cross stones and all that. It's a reflection of ancient history that predates, you know, the , the, the Christian era and, and to the, the benefit of that is that , uh, the army in the Highlands is actually was a place where other cultures and civilizations sprung. And it was a place where it gave birth to many others. Um, the oldest, let's say petroglyphs in Romania, where the foundation for the Egyptian hieroglyphs, you know, the oldest hieroglyphs in Armenia where the foundation of Sumerian theory ,

Speaker 1 23:44

When you say, like, how far are we going as far as

Speaker 3 23:48

Well, technically, if we want to be , uh , intellectually honest , um, we can go back safely as far as 18,000 years. Uh , some have gone beyond as far as 40,000, but, you know, I , I want to be safe myself personally, for me too , that you can prove that you go back 18,000 years , uh , because just our petroglyphs and hieroglyphs alone, you know, you can, you can translate that into, into Armenian . In other words, by essence, by the way, it sounds and so forth. And then Armenians are not the only ones that have done that. Um, the German , uh, German archeologists , uh , actually have examined porta Serge and his carvings, and, and they have , um, written down how they actually sounded. But the problem was that there is no Armenian. So they, they, they couldn't kind of connect it to army, but when we read it, it's , it's all our main, you know, the word card and auto rail and all that, it's all there. So , uh, you know, our, our, our language hasn't really changed much, even though we have more than more than a hundred dialects. Um, so , uh , there are places where two army and deluxe are spoken and they can't understand each other. So that's how different they are with one another. So that gives me this opportunity for me to say one thing that the audience should, should consider very heavily , um, when we look at ancient languages and we don't understand them well, we don't understand them because from our perch, from our standpoint, because right, it could be another dialect, let's say often army dialect that we just don't understand , uh , that pertains to a Hittite and , and Marion and so forth, actually, in my opinion. So Marion is just another army in Dallas . We don't, we don't really understand, but [inaudible] wrote a book that has more than 2000 Sumerian words. And he says exactly how it correlates to remain , right? So, so statistically speaking, we already have strong evidence that, you know , Sumerian was another army and dialect. So that's what I'm saying after thousands of years, if there is a more morphing of words and the way we pronounce things, it doesn't mean that it's not ours. It's just a different Tyler . Yeah. So the army and , uh , a Highlander is actually a place where we really need to revisit the , the problem is that 90% [inaudible] of the army and Highlands now falls within other countries, right? You have Georgia, you have , but Sean , you have Iran. Okay . As much as old Iran is, it's not as old as people think it is. It doesn't go back further than 1200. You see, it's just a baby compared to other civilizations. Right. Um, and then, you know , uh, most of it let's say fall in Turkey, modern day Turkey. So each and every civilization or the current country right now, they completely hide the fact that they're finding Armenian artifacts. Correct. In other words or so, so not only, not only is there a land occupied now by newer countries, our ancient history is underground in India , in other countries, basically. And we are unable to not only view it , but even our anthropologists and archeologists are not invited to these excavations . So now these , uh, Italian and Turkish and German and Scottish archeologists are digging our past our past. And we were, we are unable to participate that now, can you imagine how much value we would have brought in if we examined our own ancient history? So if, if that it's it's silence, right? Uh , that means that , uh, the, the, the academia and , and , and the social media is going to be silent on all the things that are being found. I'm not even talking about all the things are being destroyed. Now, Turkey, the way the it's going is, is creating the biggest museum in the world and is housing in our Hittite and all the other civilizations there. And they don't say a word about Armenian history. It will . Exactly. So you'll see. Now, why is the problem? And on top of that, those countries are spending millions upon millions of dollars on either misinformation, disinformation, and actually erasing of Armenian history, because that's the only way they can legitimately stay there , right. Is for them to pretend that there were there in Armenians were newcomers and all that. So it is a huge, huge agenda.

Speaker 1 28:29

I think , uh, that , that thought of when they say , uh , you know, Armenians are newcomers. I mean, it just, it just drives me insane. Like, how can you say that about us? Like, you know, with all the evidence, but, but it's the same concept as like, you know, they came, they conquered and , uh, they have to erase to be able to claim that it's theirs. Uh, and we have to fight that,

Speaker 3 28:55

Well, something is happening in Israel, right? I mean, Israel took pills in Atlanta , but the thing is before Palestinians , last flu , they were in the Europeans. There is it's ridiculous for two submitted groups to fight one another Overland , where in the Europeans were there first. Yeah , that's right. So, you know, it's like the same thing as happening in other places. And in the way they, the reason why they say we're newcomers is because they're separating our people into two groups, Armenians and Iranians , even though it's the same thing. Right. So just the, just the way they pronounce it. And , and, and on top of that, you know, you'll have two or three scientists, let's say in 18, 1800, they have rights , certain things, and they could never go to uncheck and then hundred years later. Right. You know, you ha you're , they're using those references in current research. Well , all of a sudden, now the world has two different cultures. You have were Armenians , and then Armenians came and conquered it. So , uh , I mean, all of a sudden, you know, these nomads , right. Come in and then they take over [inaudible] lens. And all of a sudden, now we have everything, even though we're examining the rarity and language, which is Anati . And by the way, but the reason why I say what are two because of the Assyrians were submitted, so they didn't have the vowels . Right. So, so the R R T you can say , what are two, we can say, right. So then all of a sudden, now we have two different groups, even though we found, you know, we're , RTN is basically another, the RRT and dialects .

Speaker 1 30:34

There's evidence of different cultures that couldn't say,

Speaker 3 30:39

Yeah . Do you realize what we were talking? I mean, let's pay attention to what we're saying. You know, we're saying that despite all this evidence they're saying, otherwise, you'll see, it's a red herring. They're creating this , this false effort for us to use our energy, to prove something that already has been proven, or it's not necessary for us to prove you see it . In other words, we have been a director to this certain tangents , just for us to spend all our energy and time on. And while we do that, while we fight this, they're doing this on the other side, it's like constantly being on the defensive that's. Right. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 31:17

And I mean, have you noticed, even with the recent war, it's like, you , you cry foul and nobody listens and it's like, it's so frustrating, you're you, you, you shold evidence and everything, but because they're, I guess, you know, they're more powerful financially. It's mostly money and they can falsify just like I was a on calling, you know, or justice Albanian. It's like, you gotta be kidding

Speaker 5 31:40

Me being used themselves. Don't even see the

Speaker 3 31:44

Reason why they're saying it is because they have enough ignorant people for them to run away with it . You see, like, if, if you , if you, if they say that to a million people of their own people and those million people start posting something about that on , on social media, that's already a runaway train. And if it , if it doesn't get checked or verified or censored, to a certain extent, that's going to be the information that the next generation is going to take on an imagined . Let's say, if they do erase those people there and our lens and everything else, we're going to be at this memory. And they can see all these things about us.

Speaker 1 32:27

W I mean, what I've noticed, mostly if you're talking about Turkey and I was a on, they do this within themselves, they falsify this history within their education system, from kids, you know, from, from kindergarten, I think the way we fight this is to educate the world about it. And just, you know, it's like, they're, they're going to do what they do. This is their, their agenda. This is their protocol. They follow a script. It's the same script over and over. And, you know, if, if you tell yourself something enough times, you're going to believe your own BS, you know? So it's kind of the same thing that they're doing to their people. But I personally think that the world itself, when you look at other countries , uh , I mean, they , they see through the BS that they're pulling and , and it is our job to educate them about the truth of, of, of the past of our, our culture and country. Um, so I think that's the way you fight it, in my opinion.

Speaker 3 33:26

Yeah. And, and, and the way we fight it, because we're outnumbered just the fact that we're outnumbered, you know, we got to work double time if we need to make any change. And , and I'm hoping that this podcast will radiate beyond the borders of the United States. You know, I'm glad that it's in English. Uh, that's another important I want to make. Uh , we have extraordinary scientists in Romania, extraordinary that one of their books, if it was ever published in English would destroy some of the full subpoenaed Haitians out there. But because it's only in Armenian the entire world, doesn't even know that a book like that exists and we need to fund ventures like that. So that's why our English podcast , uh , is , is instrumental and critical for us to reach the world, to talk about the truth, because, you know, here's the thing , um, Armenian history and its research and its protection connects to world history. In other words, if we're able to , uh, keep Armenian history alive, we keep the world history loud because we were fundamental. And we were integral part of that, because if you change something with Armenian history, the changes in Greek and Roman and Acadia , and then Sumeria and all the other civilizations, because he doesn't make any sense anymore. It's just that the world needs to see this for them to be able to grasp the , uh, the sense of urgency, right? I mean, I have books , uh , at Amazon that the Turks have called themselves Sumerian , right? Uh, the thing is published and it's being sold to the people who don't know any better. And the thing is if they continue doing that, especially in mass , where we kind of fall behind on those publications to counteract those falsifications , uh , we're going to disappear, whether we're we're have the truth or not, right. There's a saying that, you know, the, the needle doesn't get hidden in a , in a sec too long because it just protrudes. But if you put a lot of things on top of it, it's never going to , you know, come out of it unless somebody jiggles it . Right . So we're in that point where we really need a lot of us , uh , to publish things, you know, podcast , this is a great thing, let others do other podcasts as well. You know, for them to publish stories , don't need to be historic to publish your story. And that's

Speaker 1 35:54

The point where we're just two regular guys, we have our own lives, you know , um, personal lives things we do in our day jobs and just living day by day. Um, and , and, you know, but we have so much love for our country, our heritage and where we come from. And I think , uh, I mean, both of us talk about, I feel like we have this thirst of , uh, education we need, because we haven't been taught as kids. And there were, there were no history books, even in Armenia. I don't think there was anything to teach us, but I want to mention something you said , um, if anybody is listening and please, if , if you like what we're talking about and what we're doing here, share it , uh, with your friends and family. Um, and if anybody is a publisher , uh, you know, contact us, let's, let's, let's , we're, we're all open about new ventures. And if we can get these books published or translate it, you know, and, and, and get it going, this is very important. Time is of the essence. Everyone, you guys have to understand this, we're , we're at a critical point right now where these, you know, these countries are falsifying everything about us and we're not going to exist. Um, so , um,

Speaker 3 37:11

It's also polluting , um, people inside of us. Um, you know, we have, we have many people that are falsely instructed, especially in Armenia to let's see what the have nothing to do with us is being instructed. They're in Armenia and they have removed most of them, but it's still lingers, right? Like in other words , they're poisoning the Armenians themselves , uh , for them to consider themselves secondary newcomers and all that, which affects the psyche. Um, the army of psyche and, and its psychology has been bombarded and changed over course of millennia, right? Different cultures even approaches, you know, wars and famine and all those things. You know, it changes people, it changes your DNA. It changes the way you look at things, it changes your diet and your complexion. So , uh, this, this bombardment of false information , um, needs to be elevated to a point where we really put this in the mainstream media. And we, we really emphasize the fact that there is a, not only a physical war, but also an intellectual and academic war, you know, against, you know , uh, the , the ancient Armenians and the indigenous. And also , um, the Armenians are indigenous just like native Americans are to north America. We're just indigenous to Armenian Highlands. And that's the other reason why kind of, I work well with native Americans because it's indigenous to an additional incision is collaboration. Um, I kind of brought this up and it's kind of a new perspective for many, you know, when I say that, but when you sit down and think about it, you know, we are indigenous and try to, you know , uh , fix this problem. And at the same time, acknowledge another indigenous in, let's say north America and Canada, you know, who are also following the same fate, the culture side, the loss of language and the loss of lands. And you'll come at us coming in and destroying them. And all that we're experiencing, we have experienced basically what the native Americans are experiencing now and continue to do that , to do so there is no media coverage on native American genocide right now. Right. But there they are going through that. You know, there are women and children are being kidnapped and, and the killed and all that trafficking till this day, nobody's talking about it. So I think that , uh, not do we need to talk about this, but we also need a , uh, a collaboration, a group effort from other cultures who want to preserve something like this. You know, we have many institutions and instances where , uh, there are not related to the cause, but they try to protect it just let's say we would over nation artifact. Right. I mean, if we found a nation artifact, it doesn't matter whose it is. We want to preserve that for the sake of preservation, but Turkey in Azerbaijan don't do that. You know, they destroy whatever's ours and they have to do it otherwise, you know, we're, we're, we're keeping on springing up into their, their examinations

Speaker 1 40:22

Since it was questioned at that point. Um, uh, I mean, last time we had a conversation , uh , over the phone, I think you mentioned something , uh , that has been, you know, really ,

Speaker 4 40:34

Uh,

Speaker 1 40:35

It was about the [inaudible] , you know, they , they don't exist anymore. And , and we're basically the oldest culture to, to, to be here next to the Egyptians. And, and that's why they're trying to, if we weren't around, they would talk about us. They would , uh , they would actually show our artifacts. Even Turkey knows her vagina. Oh, look, the great Armenians, because we don't exist. We're not a threat to them, but now we are. So that's why they're trying to erase us or our history. Um, so , um, going back to the Highlands , um, uh , what other , uh, when you mentioned something about other cultures being part of the Highlands , um, what cultures would that be? Well,

Speaker 3 41:17

You had, you know , Hittites, you had to the Mitanni you had , uh , Koreans , uh, you have the Tusa and hearty were these,

Speaker 1 41:28

Would these just different , uh , people, or was there, were there

Speaker 4 41:33

Also at one thing I'd like to add also, that was, that was the route of the silk road. I mean, we've basically been located in a massive trade route for God . Oh

Speaker 3 41:43

Yeah. Of course. Even before the, the silk road , um, the, this , see the thing is , uh, I want to call the Sumerians , um, uh , I mean, I usually consider Sumerians as the ancient Armenians themselves, but for the sake of just keeping it neutral for a second , uh, we had some Marion and Armenian trade happening of , uh, uh, you know, precious metals and stones. And , uh , the Sumerians used to bring timber from the Armenian Highlands because investors , but Tamia, there were no forests and stuff like that. Right. And also, if you look at the Samarian , uh, pictographs and heroic lifts , you know, they show themselves on these mountains and on top of trees and stuff like that. Well , uh, there was no mountains and all that he has to be in Armenian Highlands . And the thing is their own inscriptions say that they came from the land of the gods, which was their main Highlands , you know, the Arata kingdom theater at the location, which is odd . But , uh, but, but beyond that , um, see the thing is they , they always try to make things bigger than it actually is. I mean, if I have a lighter and I go to a certain location in Africa where they haven't seen a lighter before, if I, if I, you know, light my cigarette and then light a fire and show them the lighter, they're going to say, this guy is a God, he can do so many things. Right. So, so, you know , uh , same thing was back then, if you were just a little bit more advanced, let's say, if you, if you knew metallurgy and you knew how to build, and you knew mathematics and so forth , um, he would be considered a , uh , above human, like, you know, entity, right. Especially when you come in with , uh , let's say, a Naval fleet or, you know , uh , are in sores and, and, and everything that they're not used to, you're going to be this extra ordinary being and external people. So , uh , I try to look at it from a rational standpoint that, that the army and Highlanders worst were advanced at that time that they were seen like gods and goddesses to, to others. Right. And if we keep it at that level, I think that we can be very neutral in discussing other things that those people were able to do that others were just neutral. It when, when actually the Assyrians found out about iron shorts by pleasuring and Armenian temple in , in 1700 species, that temple was the , uh, the template used by the Greeks 250 years later, you know, you have seen the Greek temples, you know , they say as Greek architecture, well, 250 , uh, our Armenian chapel was 250 years older than the oldest Greek temple. So that w that was used by the Greeks for them too , because at that time, the Greeks were using other , uh, uh, woods and all that timber for their temples that weren't using our architecture before.

Speaker 1 44:48

Is it true that , um, because, you know, 18,000 years, or even further that because the waters were higher, that the Armenians actually had a

Speaker 4 45:00

Naval , like, I don't know

Speaker 1 45:01

If you'd call it forces or whatever. They traveled through water. And they had ships , um ,

Speaker 3 45:08

Uh, Armenia was , uh , was an island , uh , before , uh, we have , uh, geological evidence that he was, and that kind of shows that they would have the opportunity for them to create a fleet, however, crude , uh, for them to kind of , uh , circle around the globe. And the thing is, you know, in the Easter island, in the back of those statues , you can see , uh, our carvings of , uh , ships that completely mirror what we find in, in Armenian , uh , mountainous area. And [inaudible] sharing the same time . I didn't know

Speaker 4 45:48

What Easter , Easter island, how a connection, [inaudible] the

Speaker 3 45:52

Language in the rapper NOI , uh, you know , um , Leah , this , John has found more than 500 Armenia words in , in Polynesian language, which was published partially in my second book called languages and fingerprints in 2014,

Speaker 4 46:08

Ladies and gentlemen, I wish you could see my face. Yeah .

Speaker 3 46:12

And here's the , here's the thing though. Um, w when , when we bring subjects like this up, you know, it can be a left fielder, but a bit also it forces people to look at things in a different light. Exactly. And, and sometimes it is not surprising if we take a , uh , one step back to look at the entire, you know , uh , portrait of something, right. I mean, for us to really appreciate an art, we have to step back and look at the entire thing, but many people , uh , you know, sense so close to an art that they , they see the threads , but they don't see the , the entire, you know, canvas, you know , for them to visualize this. So, you know, your surprise , uh , is a surprise of many, but once you see the connection and , and, and the evidence for that, because , uh, when I say I published something in my book, I mean, I literally went into a dictionary and , and, and compare the two languages to say the same thing to mean the same thing. Right. Uh, you know, that's, that's how you would try to prove that at least we can find some, some words and grammar , uh, in an area that it was unthinkable, but once we bring in ancient navigation, actually the word navigate means [inaudible] , which is an Armenian ,

Speaker 1 47:30

By the way, I do want to mention that we will be, I know this show is in English, but we will be using some more in here and

Speaker 5 47:37

There. So if you don't speak Armenian ,

Speaker 1 47:41

Uh , find your nearest neighbor

Speaker 5 47:42

Or translate friend to translate. Um, but yeah, it's a Google translate

Speaker 1 47:49

For our non-Armenian speakers. We want to let you know that. Yeah. Um, now this also ties into the whole Armenian basket, which was one of your books , uh, which I've read , uh, talk about that, because I know this goes back to the same area, as far as the army and Highlands and 18,000 years, or even further. So let's talk a little bit more about the army and bath .

Speaker 3 48:11

Sure. Uh , while it was published in 2017, it was really an effort for me to resurrect [inaudible] work. And after he passed away because of cancer , um, all his work kind of died and got buried with him. And I started , uh , taking all his work into, into one tent and publish it. And , and then how that's, how I met his daughter and then his widow in Glendale. And I was able to kind of, I even brought in a book that, that I'm doing this for, for him and his family , uh , for me to resurrect that . So , and , and the thing is that , um, after he passed away, there was more evidence that Armenians were even genetically linked to the bus. Um, but beyond the bus, the Welsh and the British and all that. So , uh, I took his work and I'll add stuff after his work that was published. And I called it as army origins of bus . And I specifically said about the linguistic verdict . Uh , I was very specific because that was the subtitle because I was, I was showing in my book that , uh, from a logical analysis standpoint and , and statistically speaking , uh, the evidence is so strong of, of ancient roots of a mask that can be found in, in Armenian that it's undeniable , uh, to a point where, I mean, if, if people are trying to, let's say argue against it, they have a huge, huge hill to climb. It's. I mean, it's, it's insurmountable because , uh , not only do we have thousands of words that are the same, not only sounds the same, but needs the same thing. We have grammar, we have topological not only similarities, but same, same designations. You know, let's say [inaudible] on top of that. We have , um, historians, bask and Spanish historians in 17 18th century talking about the relationship between army and some bus . Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 50:23

It's uh , it's, it's just so amazing when you read it the way you have it, you know, just reading his work and your work together. Um, it just, it , you know, it opens your, your, your mind to how, like you said, how close they are. I mean, they're identical , um , by the way , um, I know that the book isn't available anymore, but you said you're going to rerelease it. Yeah . The army origins

Speaker 3 50:48

Of Basque are available. And if people go to my website, they can find the link, just click on the book itself. But the previous available language is a fingerprint . I just want us to have a disclaimer, as language , as a fingerprint was a huge hit. Um, I sold more books than all the books combined in that genre. The last hundred years and language as a print of Britain was a very famous one. Uh, however, what happened was people bought it at a cheap price and started selling it for a thousand. You know, you've seen the price, so please don't buy that. I'm reprinting it so I can put it on my website. So it can be more accessible.

Speaker 1 51:30

We'll put a link on our website as well for people

Speaker 3 51:32

To be able to, I'm doing the enigma of the army and alphabets is also available through my website. Um , however, I'm reprinting it with , uh , more information. It's all be like a second edition. So that way it will be more of a comprehensive examination of what was published. So again, you know, don't buy books that are , uh, priced at ridiculous prices. It just doesn't, it's not me . Not, not a single penny is coming to me.

Speaker 1 52:01

Yeah. Yeah. Well , um , we'll, we'll make sure to correct that. And , uh, uh, as soon as that's available, we'll let everybody know to our listeners. Um, I wanted to ask you , um, why is it that, you know, and , and this is a touch, a touchy subject, I should say, and we'll cover in full episode about this. But , um, it , it seems like we don't have too many books and information in general about our history before the whole 3 0 1 a D um, why is that?

Speaker 3 52:32

Well, I look at it this way. We don't have even have anything after 3, 180 , the oldest books that we can find are in the seventh and eighth and 10th centuries. So even after Christianity, we have a lot , a lot of things that were continuously destroyed. Um, but the reason why , um, we are trying to find our history in other people's history and other people's cultures and artifacts, because virtually everything in Armenia was destroyed around when Christianity came officially and 3 0 1, 3 0 1 is just like a hearsay date. There is no official tape. You know, it's just something that people say. Uh, but the thing is , uh , for the new faith to take over, you know, it had to be virtually destroyed because it kind of negates the new faith coming in, but it was also a political move as well. You know, political strength at that time, you know , uh , in the Roman times it was already taken over. So from the king standpoint, you know, it was a way for him to take control. But if you, if we look at it from our standpoint, you know, it was just a decision to destroy things, to bring you, in other words, for that era, it wasn't really a real well thought of, you know, what's going to happen in a hundred, two or three, 400 years. I couldn't

Speaker 1 53:54

Have, they kept that , that information. And at the same time you embraced the new information.

Speaker 3 54:00

This is what we believed in before.

Speaker 1 54:02

And now we believe in this. Why does it have to be erased the old, go with the new, another

Speaker 4 54:07

Question to add to yours, Vic , is, was that in a way necessary to hide, let's say their paganism past or not, I'm asking completely because I don't know. Um, you know, is that, is that something that was frowned upon back then? I mean, I'm not saying you have the answer to this, but is that, what would that have been a common practice or was that had been something that was stressed upon by, let's say the Eastern Roman front at the time.

Speaker 3 54:35

Right. You know, well, the , the, the idea of paganism and the word pagan itself has been under a negative light because of Christianity. Right. Um, otherwise , uh, you know, paganism for the lack of better word was actually a more of closer to nature and the stars, it was a reflection of nature, right? So it was more of a , a reasonable, rational approach to things than Christianity itself. But the thing is everywhere was like that. Right. Um, but what happened was , uh, the, the Roman and Greek priests were destroying everything in Egypt, including covering up everything with plus or in concrete , uh, to hide the fact that they took Christian roots from Egypt, let's say, or from Syria. Right. Uh , so , uh, in other words, the, the destruction and hiding of facts was part of this effort. Otherwise they would show that Christianity was, I was an idea that was very ancient, the idea of a sun rising the sun itself, arising and going, oh, the Equinox and the solstice and so forth, you know, there was all part of nature. In other words, they took the idea of Astro theology and , uh , and the idea that was not literal into something literal that's, that's where the problem started is when they converted the actual sun into a sun , you know, the constellation to 12 constellations into 12 disciples, you know what I'm saying? So for them to do that, they had to , uh , through blood and sword and plunder and pillage for them to do that, otherwise they will not be able to scare people hard enough for them to believe that you see , you have to scare the people for them to believe in something, because , um , that's how the rule is rules . They had to have this invisible thing to tell them, you know, that there was this ancient, ancient propaganda,

Speaker 1 56:35

I mean, fear tactics. I mean, we're going through it

Speaker 5 56:38

Right now, theory driven with this whole pandemic . So

Speaker 3 56:44

I want to say the positive thing of that, the , uh , that's where people misunderstand me most of the time, the positive thing is that many over ancient as true theology was embedded within Christian , Armenian Christianity all the way until today, you know, the customs that we have in the [inaudible] and all those things, right . [inaudible] He was connected to , you know, something that, you know, is, is, is Christian based . But the thing is, if we are really , um, you know , uh , reasonable about this and rational , we can see that we still, in our Christian culture, we still echo our ancient past.

Speaker 1 57:27

And , and on one thing , um , you know, to our listeners, this isn't about religion or anything of that sort, isn't about putting down Christianity. Um, this is about, you know, facts and talking about what happened , uh, you know, everybody has their own beliefs, their own spirituality. Um, again, we, we want to present what happened. Um, you know, if you're gonna allow your religion to blind you from, from, you know, events that took place. No, one's saying that, you know, Christianity isn't real or anything of that stuff .

Speaker 4 58:01

Here's, here's something I'd like to add to that too, is I went to an Armenian to Armenian institutions growing up and I had to learn Armenian history, or what, what w what we called was Armenian history history until about what seventh or eighth grade, it was the same thing regurgitated every year, just with a few more details. Like, I would say 60% of what we're talking about was never in those books and is touches on what we were talking about way earlier in this podcast. Right. But again, it's , it will never be, it will never be because ,

Speaker 3 58:34

Because those schools are being funded by the Epistolic church, it's not going to happen. Actually, if you look at just the data of information about, about us, the biggest falsification is coming from outsi , uh , butter history. You know, they really don't play our ancient past. They, you know, they, they say that Armenians didn't know anything before Christianity, they actually write that on their website. So talk about falsification, right? So if you have our own church doing that, obviously the Turkey is going to do it, but

Speaker 1 59:08

That's so , uh , you know, I don't , I don't understand that. It's like, why would you please , no, one's saying, you know, we all come from Christian families. And , um, I don't know for me, it's just, if you accept your past, and I think you're more powerful by saying, Hey, you know what, this is who we were. And then this came in, we accepted this. We loo we live by these rules or beliefs in the stab , but doesn't mean that the people before that were idiots

Speaker 5 59:37

Or morons for believing in the salon , or,

Speaker 1 59:40

You know, had these gods , um, it's just, it's unbelief, it's ,

Speaker 3 59:45

It's insecurity and fear. They're still in the dark ages when it comes to that, you know , uh , the, the dark ages still follows. But the thing is on top of that, you know, I know many , um, religious folks , uh, and especially within the priesthood that are very enlightened as far as embracing the , the entire Armenian history. And, and , uh , the , the , the , the good thing is that, you know, we are beyond that. In other words, we look at the bigger picture, again, looking at the photo and the canvas from a different perspective , um, uh , religious or not a spiritual or not. I think that we have a bigger goal is for us to continue with our self-preservation preservation , continue with our, you know , embracing our history, helping one, another, actually , uh, the, the, the, the church Armenian church can be a huge benefit if they could , uh , open up platform for this type of an education of ancient, ancient history language. And they can utilize that for us to, you know , have these meetings , um, bring in children for them to learn from , um, in other words, we have what it takes. We can use what we got , uh , in a religious or not, you know , Christian or not to come together for, for us to really preserve ourselves, because if we're going to have an infighting and we're , we're going to, you know, baker in all these things, we're w we won't be able to survive another, you know, one or two generations, right? Yeah .

Speaker 4 1:01:19

Yeah. And I mean, it's, you know, it's, it's important that we have to understand what's going on in our past, you know , it's this grassroots movement that should be started. Like you've mentioned, like we've been talking about , um, and segwaying into my next , my next question, or next topic would be what's going on with Armenian historical research, you know, and why is , why should the world care? Why should all of us care? Um, I mean, I know why I care. I know why Vic cares. I know why you care, but

Speaker 3 1:01:48

Yeah. As well. Well, here's the thing, though. Uh , let's go back to your sculptures of , uh , to ground the grade , um, obviously to grow on the great sculpture is a, is , is a visual piece that is , is highly needed for people not only to , um, learn about it, but also to see it. And, and that is a vehicle that if, if we can replicate that piece and put it in each and every Armenian school , you were talking about them, not only just being talked about it, but they can actually see it and feel it and be more memorable. Right? So that leads to an answer to your question of as far as you know, why the army research, while the army research, it not only needs to be talked about, but also needs to be visually shown. Uh , it needs to be a repetitive, it needs to be in front of people all the time for them to take , uh , it's a serious consideration. I'm sure you're doing the same thing for a, for a serious consideration to take place to your sculpture, you know, in his , to revolve around, you know, information that can be freely and readily accessible to children and adults at the same time, because that also gives you a feedback of whether you already have enough information or whether you can continue doing your research to find more about take around the grade. And the thing is to ground , the grade is a very good starting points for, for you to talk about kingdoms before him and how far, where , how far back we go, which we'll cover that next

Speaker 5 1:03:27

Time . And that's just middle of the route

Speaker 1 1:03:32

On the next episode. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:03:34

So, so why Armenian history? Well it's because Armenian history is key to world history. Uh, it is the, the apex or, or even the cornerstone of, of ancient civilizations because frankly all the arrows of civilization lead back to Armenia because all the firsts of human civilization we have found in Armenia , that's why it's important. It is, it is kind of a lifeblood of, of ancient historical research. You can talk about Sumerian history and its origins without talking about Armenian history. It's not going to happen. It's the conclusions are incomplete. So anyway, it's something that should be that's . Also,

Speaker 4 1:04:18

Another thing is, is, is in terms of, and I know I've had some experiences myself just running into so many people here and there , um , public and friends and whatnot. You know, I have friends that are a little bit younger than me, friends that are older than me. Um, you know, what, what my goal is on this topic was to have what mine in Vic school actually was to spark that conversation with a lot of younger people, right? Um, a lot of the, I guess, call them older folk. I mean, I'm not knocking on anybody's age, sorry in advance. But , um, you know, I've , I've ran into people in recent months. We've seen my piece and asked who was that king? Um , I mean, don't get me wrong. I felt a little embarrassed inside, but the last thing you want to do is embarrass the person in front of you. So you try to kind of baby them through this information. What would you suggest would be something that some of the younger listeners, whoever tunes in would have a good starting point into starting to research some of these things , um, in our ancient past, you know, where, where, where would they want to start? Uh , what would be a good starting point? Definitely not. We can ,

Speaker 3 1:05:33

Well, I think that, you know, obviously with your sculptures, it's going to have its own plaque of who, who that person is and , and the history behind it. Um, but not only that, I think that each and every piece with its own plaque should be placed in , uh , starting with Armenian schools. Um, just like a whole of , of history for, you might say , you might say, and each and every of your Kings or figures that you put together that will represent a certain era in a certain era , uh , for conversation to serve . Because , uh, you know, the idea of you doing the sculpture of a king is actually extraordinary because imagine, let's say you come to a table and there are 10 people sitting and then you put the, or the figurehead into the middle of the table and it just be selling the bottle . You know, imagine, let's say that silence, what , what they would turn into a conversation topic, because they're going to ask, you know , how do you know about whether the ticker and the grip look that way and so forth? So that actually motivates you to learn everything that you can about the guy, not only from the army and sources, but also most of the sources are Roman. You see, this is the other reason why everything, that's why everything was destroyed before 3 0 1. That's why we can't even find stuff about our own Kings in our own literature before 3 0 1. And we have to resort to Roman sources for us to figure about our king. You see , um, there w there were letters before my syrup muscles , we did have literature before master of mosquitoes here , give you an example. Um, w what do we call that say, you know, but in the middle of the church, we'll hold on , right? We say, hold on, well, this is what I'm , because that's where you, hold on. In other words, that's where you, why would you do that? If there was no literature, you know, they , they will go back to, you know, to the library, you know, bring a book and then, you know, open it up on that, hold on and the quarter not into it. Right. And what do we call our, our temple as we call the Dutchers , right. Okay . [inaudible] to give solution right charge . So, in other words, our temple is we're a place where the priest would find solutions and they would delve into the literature and give the farmer, or whoever has a question, right. It only makes sense, but, you know , you have to look at it that way. That's why your re-examination of a sculpture is actually your own effort for you to dig into history and find answers for that.

Speaker 4 1:08:07

And just like to announce with very, very, very limited resources, ladies and gentlemen, it wasn't a very easy project to embark on. In terms of research, as Von was mentioning, you have to start looking into surrounding our quote unquote neighbors of the time to get any bits and pieces of information. And, you know, 2,100 year old king per se is not, we don't have any visual reference. So yeah .

Speaker 3 1:08:35

You know ? Yeah. I mean , if you keep your coins here, there are Arthur Moses who passed away. Uh, you know, he did a lot of work on it, and I think that he should be also a source for you , uh, for you to learn more about figuring , okay , well, we're doing

Speaker 1 1:08:50

All the research we can and, and , uh, you know, for the next pieces that are , uh, we're planning to do , um, I think that the biggest thing also, people need to understand this is Mike's artistic , uh, you know, view of what he would have looked like , because no one knows what he looks like. So all to those critics out there, those comments we get are messages, relax . You know, the fact that you say that's not him, unless you have a photograph of him, send it to us.

Speaker 5 1:09:18

We'll make an exact copy off to see a photograph. I really, since we're

Speaker 1 1:09:24

On the subject of this real quickly, and we'll jump back into the army and Highlands , you want to talk about, again, it's funny with the internet that they information people, you know, send you an questions. Um, but one thing , uh, you know, this, this, this piece that this whole idea that started, this is not a toy. Okay. This is for, it's a collect the full item. Um, it's something that, like we said, it's all about sparking interest. If you like collecting items , um, that's something you gonna put on your table or on your office or on your fireplace mantle . Um, it's first to show off that you have such a cool piece. Second is to , when someone comes in and says, who is that? It's gonna, you know, start that conversation. Well , that's the , on the ground . And I'll tell you from my own experience, having the prototype with me, I've had people who are in this, let's say in the generation, that's in their twenties, even early thirties that have no idea who he is or he who he was. Um, now also the process of it, it takes time to make this , uh, I think you want to , you

Speaker 5 1:10:35

Want to try and yeah . So , um , one of the,

Speaker 4 1:10:37

One of the biggest criticisms I've gotten about Degan has been , um, his, his facial features , um, when you look at some of the limited resources, as I mentioned earlier, and I know you touched on it Vaughn , uh, he, according to mainstream media, narrative and doctrine, he lived for 95 years and he didn't rule greater Armenia until I believe the age of 55. So when you take that into account, he ruled Armenia from 55, the age of 55 until his death and passing until 95. And now all of his depictions that we've seen in paintings on coins or whatever that's been found about him. He looks like a spring chicken, like a young boy , 25, 30 years old, you know, that's great. It's great to portray somebody this way, but when you're trying to create something a little bit more realistic, it was hostages as a, as an, as an army, like a , you know, as somebody who admires history and likes to deep dive into work and try to at least have a little level of authenticity. And again, this is not, I'm not saying this in my own defense, just, just so people will be clear what the process of something like this as you kind of have to take all of these things into account. Sure. We can [inaudible] and , you know, I've worked with a lot of people in the film industry who are major collectors of, of Batman products, of Spider-Man and jokers and whatnot. They've never aged over 80 years. Batman apparently never got old, you know, it's kind of unrealistic, but kind of cool. Right.

Speaker 3 1:12:08

Well, yeah. I mean, w we have the same problem with all the other historical and Causa historical figures. Right. You know, we just go for reference. Yeah . You know, whether it is her daughters or, you know, Cicero or , or Caesar and all that, you know, they're just representations of just who they might be in , in reality. So I think that people are missing the point, as far as the features go, it's secondary to the idea of a man himself. Exactly . And the thing is , uh , I think that the youths inquiry is much more important than let's say an 80 year old man. Um , just because we're trying to kind of have them think also, is there a way for them to come up with , with a way, for them to know more about how these people look? So the coin itself could have been him and, you know, in his thirties or forties. So just for the sake of the way, you know, Julius Caesar had those, you know, the , the , the leaves around his forehead to show his, not to show his , his hair receding, you know, it can be the same thing, you know , uh , looking youthful at the time was, was very important. I mean, in 16 , 17 centuries where people wearing wigs and, you know, in other words, you know, we , we have that problem, but people are concentrating on ridiculous things and they're missing, they're missing the entire, you know , narrative about what we're trying to do. Of course ,

Speaker 1 1:13:36

Of course . And it's unfortunate, but, you know , um, everybody has an opinion and a voice on if

Speaker 3 1:13:41

You, if you had a third eye or a second nose, that was the okay. Commit .

Speaker 1 1:13:46

And , and we, you know, we, we answer these questions. So , uh , that's just to , uh , those people that are out there, you know, that again, unless you, unless you have a photo of him, please share it with us and we'll redesign it. Um, but okay, let's get back to our , um, what else is there about, like, what would you say the most important thing about the Armeen Highlands would be for someone to , um, if there were to research , um, you know, like you said, it's , it was bigger than I know everybody visualizes the whole CTC, you know, the heat on the great. And, but like you said, it's bigger and it is bigger. Um , again, I forget the author's name, there's a recent book that I just , uh, ordered , uh, it is called Armenian Highlands. Um, but from there, I , I saw some just small portions that talks about how big it was and when you said it visually, and again, it went all the way down to Israel. That's , that's amazing, you know? Um, so what would be some important points , uh, about Darmian Highlands that you'd want to share?

Speaker 3 1:14:53

Right. Well, we're going to be here another five hours if I go into dissertation, but , but I'll , I'll, I'll, I guess I'll keep it simple because it's the first podcast. Um , we have to look at , uh, the army and the Highlands and , and the time in a continuum, very important. You know, we have to look at civilizations across civilizations as a continuum and interrelated aspects of history. You know, we have to take into consideration the , um, the influences that they had to one another, that they lived in close proximity, but it means that they shared information and also , uh, for, for people to not to divide or [inaudible] all these different cultures into separate sex or groups, but to look at them as a whole , um, you know, they have to realize that let's say when it , when it should tell , just for example, talk about Nefertiti and, and, and Amenhotep, you know, they, they need to figure out also that Nefertiti was not an Egyptian sheet. She came from Armenian kingdom of Mitanni . You see , uh, see how as you see the connection . So you cannot have, you know, Egyptian history or, or any, any of that effects without the inclusion of Armenian history. Let me

Speaker 1 1:16:18

Ask you something, you know, that, that, that right there itself, most people, when you say that are going to say, well, they're going to question you, right, because of the falsification of other historians , um, how , how do you, how do you fight that?

Speaker 3 1:16:33

Well, the here's , but here's the thing though. When people talk about that, they're not really saying we have contrary evidence. In other words, people should know that never TD came from elsewhere. She was not a gypsy. She married into the Egyptian dynasty. Okay. So they are going to find out that Nefertiti came from Mitani well, Mitanni can only be translated in Armenian . So , uh , the problem is that, you know, we have all suffocation of who the , the Mitanni and the kingdom work versus let's say we're in their , for was our main or not. But, you know, once we know that the Armenian kingdom of Mitani was Armenian itself, then we can hypothesize that because not only was never TT a newcomer to Egypt, we also have to take into consideration what she brought in. She brought in the, the, the, the sun worship that we're used to in Mitani, in other words , uh, or the Armenian KW Mitanni was the first place that there was a monotheism and the sun was it because they, again, they understood nature. They understood the value of the sun. They knew that the sun was the, was the life giver. And then in Christianity, the sun turned into an actual sun in arm delight and all that, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. W we know that the son is the, the life giver and the same thing was in the , uh , Egyptian book of the dead. You know, they do talk about, you know, the , the , the sun and everything else, and the same verbiage, by the way that we find in Christian theology. You know, so , uh, to answer your question is , uh, when people come forward and saying , no, you're wrong, well , they have to come within the contrary evidence. They think that all wrong. Also, they need to provide evidence. And also their understanding of the evidence to what they're doing is just the repeating the same thing as others would without any second thought, right. That this is what I meant. I'm going to go back to the UCLA , uh, lecture, because that student is going to be one of those people. They're going to say things, otherwise, they're going to say, you know, you, you prove it, but the student only heard it from a professor of a professor who heard it from somebody else.

Speaker 4 1:18:45

That's like the saying goes, history is a set of lies. Agreed upon.

Speaker 3 1:18:49

Yeah , that's right. That's right. So what we're trying to do is we're trying to separate , uh , the rational , uh , uh , factually valid perspective and what has been repeated, you know, so often with, with no logical reasonable basis to it. That's all we're doing right now. Well, that was one point. That was one point. The other is the other thing. That's that

Speaker 5 1:19:13

Top three, I know three, you can go for

Speaker 3 1:19:15

Five hours, but , and the second one , um, I think that we really need to , um, place a huge importance of what it means to , uh, for army or being the cradle of civilization. Um, and what do we mean by civilization is actually the transition from hunter and gatherers into a systematic society where they had, you know, systematic or systemic agriculture, you know, animal domestication. And , and we find all the evidence that all of that transpired in Armenian Highlands. And , and actually that raises a question, what the hell happened in Armenian Highlands for all those first to happen, that they eat something that they became much a little bit more smarter for them to do that, you know , um , in other words, you know , it opened up a huge chapter of what transpired in their main Highlands. That's our , that's like 50 rabbit holes to go down . You know , if , if you had the first agriculture in Armenia , uh, you know, animals, domestication, Australia, wine , um , you know, wine, wine making in south America, I will say, okay, you know, each and every domain had its own strengths , but you're talking about all the first happening in one geographical location, something

Speaker 4 1:20:34

He found like the oldest wine wine

Speaker 3 1:20:37

Or something like this bill winery was founded or mania in any case . Yeah, that's right. That's why we have the wine called audit. Yeah . Yeah. So , you know, that's , that's number two, that's already a huge dissertation right there. You know, you can write books about that, you know, and , and then the third, I think that we know we should embrace our entire history versus just segmenting off of cherry picking which era we want to really embrace. You know, if let's say, if , if you're a theist and a Christian, let's say, and you only want to concentrate everything after 3 0 1, because I have met Armenians actually were so disgusted and pre-Christian army history that, you know, they , they didn't want to talk about it. So, you know, we have people like that person , like, you know , why do you have the garni temple on , on your desk, for example, throw it away or burn it , things like that. Wow. And actual conversation. And actually that happened in 2015 when I was at Marshall's college , in Glendale doing a lecture, and you're in our master's colleges in Glendale, I did that. And you know, a , an old timer came to this lady and saw the garden is a replica on a desk. Like you would, let's say, or Tigger . And the grade you are going to experience that because, you know, we have a lot of people that have been brainwashed and, and scared. So it's not something new. So we want to re if we are going to resurrect our, our ancient history, our prehistoric history, you know , uh , our army is , are actually prehistoric. They're not ancient. They're prehistoric , uh , you know, Robert Ellis in 18 hundreds when he published the book, the army and origins of a trust skins , the trust skins where the , the original Italians, you know, he said that the Armenian conquest were done throughout the world were done during prehistoric times. Wow. You see, just by language alone, he was able to deduce that. But the thing is hard. Sciences are proving that, but we have a huge, huge France that are working against us. So we have to take into consideration consideration that this was very real and very serious, and it requires many people trained . We need ,

Speaker 1 1:22:48

Uh , more historians and people doing research than lawyers and doctors and well , I mean, I think we do, as far as our culture goes, I think we do. The problem

Speaker 4 1:22:56

Is just like Von had mentioned earlier in the podcast was it's kind of being suppressed by, by the powers that be, that may have more financing that w w that's more of the accepted. Uh , I mean, I understand

Speaker 1 1:23:12

Obviously, you know, you look at the schools , uh, heavily, you know , uh, connected with the church. Um, but I , like I said, it's unfortunate because it both should be embraced. Um, uh, you have to accept where, who we were, where we came from and why we here .

Speaker 3 1:23:31

Yeah. Look at it this way. Uh , from 3 0 1 to know , what's that 17, 800, 800, 1800 years. Okay. 3 0 1 to , let's say 10,000 BC that's sent out . So we're, we're kind of replacing or favoring 1800 years over 10,000, you know, there's a huge imbalance there. And I think that if we open up the gates and I think to grant the grades is the gateway because the guy comes very close to, to the, to the Christian era. Right. He can be the gateway to other things about what religion we had before. What was it called? What did we follow? Things like that?

Speaker 4 1:24:14

Technically, if I, if , uh, um , and again, correct me if I'm wrong , uh, Christianity was introduced to the army and people, well before 380, I think the , in like the late or early second century into

Speaker 3 1:24:29

Yeah . First century, but , uh, you know, you know, the saints to divorce and , and all those, you know, they're, they're mostly legend than anything else, but, you know, we, we get the point, you know, kink op guard , king op guard and stuff like that. You know, we , we do see that. I mean, some of the , the correspondence between Jesus Christ and kingdom work were proved to be fabricated. Uh, you know, it was a superfluous that did that in the third century. But, but, but here's the thing though, the , the, the crucible of Christianity was in Syria and Antioch, and it was just eventually ventured out. So, you know, there is a pinch of truth in it, but the idea is that it's a historical truth. We have to look after not, not, let's say the theological things that divides us, but the history that connects us

Speaker 1 1:25:19

Well , um, we're getting close to about an hour and 20 minutes. So , um, any closing thoughts? I mean, I know the, you know, the Highlands is just kind of a general, we , we want people on this episode to visualize how big Armenia was. Uh, and again, as we go, the whole point of this was to kind of set you guys up for the next show, which again, yeah. We'll, we'll be covering army nation kingdoms. And then from there, it's just, we're just going to go from one subject to the next one. Uh, I mean, the amount of information I think with Vaughn's knowledge , uh, I think we're going to be here for about 10 years. Yeah .

Speaker 3 1:26:01

Actually , uh , equally important is , uh , the work that you do as far as the , the, the sculptures and what's coming up. And I think that it goes hand in hand. So what's, what's coming up next, as far as your sculptures go. Um ,

Speaker 5 1:26:15

You want most to give the secrets away? I've seen, well, I'll give a little snippet.

Speaker 4 1:26:20

Um, as most people have already seen on mommy , [inaudible] was an interesting , uh, obviously a very important figure in our history to explore. And , uh, any of you who do follow us has already seen the prototype posted , um, next up will be a ,

Speaker 1 1:26:38

Hold on. You're also working on cut me off. Hold on, hold on. Before you go on your there's a , uh ,

Speaker 4 1:26:47

Yeah, so I am working on a full figure of Austin . Uh, I have, I'll keep that a secret B two bomber status , uh, area 51 status. Um, and , uh, I'll be revealing that hopefully within the next few weeks , um , don't know if we're going to go to 3d print route or a high Rez , realistic print route. Like somebody actually took a photo of

Speaker 1 1:27:13

[inaudible] . Yeah . And that would be more in color , in color, possibly on canvases. Yes.

Speaker 4 1:27:19

Um, but

Speaker 1 1:27:21

We'll go ahead. Uh , okay. Are you sure it's just a quick snippet. Yeah . The next

Speaker 4 1:27:26

Character busts , uh, or full figure, I'll leave that up to your imagination will be a female. Um, so for any of our female audience , uh, we haven't forgotten about you. We promise. Yeah . Yeah. [inaudible] Plenty of exploration in our history. Um, even, even Tema , even, even to my surprise, I'm not going to lie. Um, you know, we , we were so prominent with our Kings and our princes and some of our fables that have evolved princes and whatnot. We don't really concentrate too much, at least from what I recall on our prominent female figures in our history. Um, so I'm definitely going to be doing a lot more exploring with this a lot more. Uh, you guys will be quite pleased. I promise

Speaker 1 1:28:12

We, we have , uh, our goal is to have all four sculptures. Hopefully if everything goes well , um, by, by the holidays. Yeah. Uh, one thing you guys have to keep in mind first, the process for Mike to make this, it takes lot of time and , and the detailed work that he does is just unbelievable. And then after that, we have to make a prototype. Um, then it has to go into molding, casting so forth. And , um, and you want to , you know, why don't you mention about this whole resin thing? So people have an understanding because when we say a resident, people think like, so

Speaker 5 1:28:49

Resin is like age and eraser . Yeah . No, [inaudible] no idea what it is. So let's clarify that. No, it's a ,

Speaker 4 1:29:02

It's , it's kind of like a polymer. It's like a , it's like a very, very hard plastic. If I were to 3d print, a hard resin baseball, it could probably crack a lot of bones. It's very powerful. It's very strong. Um, it can, at least in the 3d process can be made to look like anything. We'd like , um, whether it be bronze , whether it be stone, whatever the case is, it's very easy to manipulate in 3d. But , um, the end product is a hardened resin. Um, hopefully, hopefully if all of this goes, well, maybe one day we'll start exploring with some real stones in the future. Um , which would be really, really cool. Really cool. I'd be looking forward to something like that.

Speaker 1 1:29:46

The next , uh, like I said, it'll be a female. Uh, and then we have another king coming up. Uh, I think the female we're both decided there'll be a full , uh, figure maybe. Sure. I don't know . We're

Speaker 5 1:29:58

Still willing to surprise

Speaker 1 1:30:00

His imagination. Um, anything you want to mention Ron before

Speaker 3 1:30:04

We, yeah , the , the reason why I brought it up, because, you know, hopefully some of the, the people that are well off and wealthy and have the resources for them to promote this and , and endorse this and, you know, contribute to the development of those figures and sculptures and bring it to the world stage, you know, they should start getting involved. Uh , otherwise, you know, we come to a dead end all the time where, you know, they want all this to , um, preserving and sustain itself, but nobody's doing about it. You know, we need financial support , uh, heavily on this stuff to , to stay above water. So, you know, we know that we have a lot of capable and able people out there that can support your cause. And we want them to really realize that, you know, a lot is at stake if they don't just come through. And so all this is going to be in vain and we're just going to be , uh , like a small voice, you know, being heard in the crowd.

Speaker 4 1:31:05

Right. I, you know, ladies and gentlemen, I mean, it's, it's, it's coming from a good place. We, this was, I'll be honest with you. If you want to talk about it, I would , this wasn't meant to be a, a venture of any sort. It was just a passion project. Really. It was just to, just to get people talking, just to get people excited about our history. Again, I'll say it again. I've I know all probably mentioned this a few times in future episodes, I've worked with a lot of people who are into collectibles , uh, different statues from different storylines, things that don't exist, just fantasy. And, you know, we figured why can't our people have something like this that they can actually latch on to our history where you're actually basing this off of truth. You're not, you're not basing this off of fiction,

Speaker 3 1:31:53

Right. And this is a serious podcast. And so I'm glad that we're doing this. I'm glad that we're spearheading this. And thanks to you both, you know , for coming up with the platform because we have so much to share, and I hope that more and more people tune in army or otherwise for them to learn how interconnected we are.

Speaker 1 1:32:13

Of course all are welcome. Of course. And we're gonna, you know, like I said, our, our goal is to starting from, you know, the next episode to kind of concentrate more on specific areas and times and certain people. So this will go for a very long time. And , uh , by the way, I want to thank everybody who has, pre-ordered the sculptures, thank you so much. I know , uh , it's something in our culture that people hesitate to , uh , pre-order things, but , um, uh, you know, we were surprised the amount of pre-orders we've gotten, we are going to be making only a certain amount, by the way, guys, this is a collectible, this is not about making money. This is about a limited edition , um, you know , uh, sets that once it's done, that's it, we're not going to re print it. We're not gonna remake it. Um, again, this is a passion project that went into a lot of, lot of thought, thought of how to do this the right way. Um, yeah, a lot of hours. And then the cost of making these is a lot.

Speaker 3 1:33:19

So , um, schools should pay attention to this older deans and presidents. That's another thing

Speaker 1 1:33:25

I wanted to mention. Uh, we, again, we have, we're so busy with so many things happening and we haven't been able to reach out to many, but we will be reaching out to the Armenian schools and talking about possibly doing a custom pieces for them larger than the size, and possibly even using the stone casting , uh, uh, system to do this for them. So , um, if anybody listens to works in any of the Armenian schools, you can , uh, reach out to us. Uh, again, if you have any questions , uh, you can email a pod at [inaudible] dot com. Um, Instagram at [inaudible] . Uh , the phone number is (818) 579-2112 leaves, a voicemail. You can text us any questions you would want us to answer in the next episode or for volunteer answer , um,

Speaker 5 1:34:18

Or even, or even suggested topics. So just the top trusting justice to talk about

Speaker 1 1:34:22

It , let us know. I know , um, I do want to think , uh, see Rouge actually, his name is [inaudible] . He's an amazing artist. He allowed us to use his music for the podcast. Uh, you, you know, what you hear in the intro and outro is his music. Go check him out. He's on , uh , Spotify, YouTube it's C capital C dash Rouge, R O U G E. Um, just an amazing artist, blending, you know, old Armenian music with the new deep house. Progressive sounds very amazing. So , um, any closing thoughts? I'm definitely sleeping a lot smarter tonight .

Speaker 3 1:35:03

I'm ready for the next one. So let's do this space . Okay,

Speaker 1 1:35:06

Gentlemen. Well, thank you very much, very much, Ron. Really appreciate it. Yeah. Hopefully next episode, we can have you here live with

Speaker 5 1:35:15

Us by the way. He's through zoom. So yeah . Thank you for , for doing this

Speaker 3 1:35:21

Next time. I'll be there. Let's put

Speaker 1 1:35:22

It that way. All right . So we'll see each other on the next step. All right .

Speaker 2 1:36:04

[inaudible] .